How to demonize Israel

KEY UPDATE: Read Lisa's fully referenced account of the story here. In some recent comments on that post, she's now clarified that she thinks the press photographers did not create  set-up photographs, but that the photographs were subsequently used in a manipulative way.

Sheera Frenkel, who was the main source for Lisa's post has now published her own account in the Jerusalem Post.

OK, get the picture? It shows Israeli children at the northern border town of Kiryat Shmona gleefully scribbling target hate messages aimed at Hizbollah and the Lebanese on missiles destined for firing into Lebanon.

The usually laid back and hate-resistant Egyptian blogger Sandmonkey featured it and some others at the same event, and wrote:

Hey, Israel, losing the moral high ground quickly?

Disgusting.

Congratulations, you are no better than Hamas now. You have become what you hate.

But Israeli blogger Lisa got the story behind the picture from the photographer who took the shot and confirmed it with another journalist who was present.

This is an extract from the online conversation with Lisa  about what she found, which the Sandmonkey posted

kids were in
bomb shelters for days. city is a ghost town.

only poor people stayed

a new army unit arrived, kids were bored, went out with
parents to look

there were TWELVE photographers there

and they egged the kids on

the kids are low class, not educated, have never met a
Lebanese, just want to live their lives, don't understand why Lebanon
attacked their home, etc.

the photographers told them "hey, your cousins in america
will see you!"

mostly foreign photographers

so the kids, who were bored and restless and had been cooped
up in bomb shelters for 5 days, took the felt markers and drew messages to
nasrallah

there were no cries of hatred toward lebanese

and a big problem is that the israeli tv does not show dead
lebanese. it shows destroyed buildings, but not dead bodies. so no one has a face of the dead in their minds. too aware of our own suffering, etc.

make sense?

Fantastic that she got the story. And terrific that Sandmonkey has posted this explanation and provided a link to it from the original angry post.

And by the way, I certainly don't feel that it's necessary to see pictures of dead bodies, or the faces of the dead to be able to appreciate the suffering of the Lebanese. In fact I share the view of Shutterfool that posting horror pictures of the dead, whether Lebanese or Israeli is disgusting,

But of course this picture and its companions will have gone round the world, with hundreds rushing to echo the Sandmonkey's disgust and comments that it demonstrated that the Israelis were no better than Hamas.

How many will now come to see that this particular piece of demonization of Israelis was originated not by Hezbollah and Hamas. It seems that the photographer was with AP. They've got form. But though it originated with AP it was others who then manipulated it:

Links to anti-Israel websites with that photo placed prominently next to the image of a dead Lebanese child have been sent to me several times. Someone has been rushing around the Israeli blogosphere, leaving the link to one particularly abhorrent site in the comments boxes

UPDATE: Lisa's comment below appears to modify the story substantially from her account in her earlier online conversation which I extracted verbatim, as published on Sandmonkey's log. It seems the parents, and not the photographers, were encouraging the children to draw flags and doodles on the shells, not messages, which were written by the parents . But, as she says, the presence of twelve photographers all eager to take shots, no doubt contributed significantly to the fact that it happened.

It's puzzling though, that the girls are adding to messages actually written by their parents in English. The comments are apparently addressed to Nasrallah, the Lebanese leader of Hezbollah, and regular threatener of death to Israel, rather than to the Lebanese people. I find it difficult to imagine the conversations between the parents and the children about writing messages to Nasrallah in English.

And how did the twelve photographers get to be there in the first place? Was it parents or photographers who made the encouraging remarks about "your cousins in America will see you?"

Why were the children allowed to get near the shells anyway? Does the IDF have some responsibility there?

Comments

[resistor]

Did the photographers supply the shells too?

[Joanne]

As I commented on Sandmonkey's site, this seems like entrapment. Children are not very media savvy, as a rule. Interesting that the photographer did this without any Israeli adults around.

[Lisa]

Sorry, I have to step in with a correction: it was the parents who were egging the children. But again, the parents were not encouraging their kids to hate Lebanese people. They wrote the message to Nasrallah themselves, then laughingly encouraged the kids to doodle the Israeli flag and so on. Okay, not sophisticated people. But also not "haters."

The kids had been hearing for 5 days that they were forced to stay day and night in bomb shelters because of Nasrallah, so I guess they didn't need much encouragement. Again, they were kids.

The photographers did not actively encourage the kids - their parents did. But again, there were 12 photographers al the kids were thrilled with all the attention. As were the parents, I imagine. It's not often that foreign journalists visit a tiny peripheral town in Israel.

[David All]

I see nothing wrong in what these kids did. They were not marching through the streets wearing fake suicide bomb belts and shouting death to Lebanon. They were writing "messages" to Nasrallah dedicating the bombs to him & Hezbollah, both of whom the Israeli govt. with the overwhelming support of the Israeli people, has proclaimed their desire to dispatch them to the next world, where they will find out the truth about the promised 72 virgins! In WW II similar messages to Hitler were frequently scribbed on bombs while the press took photos.

[Bozoer Rebbe]

The idea of writing messages on ordnance is probably as old as warfare. Bombs, tanks, planes, even guns, have all been decorated with messages intended to harm enemy morale.

Such symbolism is natural, not indicative of hate or low moral grounding. The United States names its B-2 Spirit 'Stealth' bombers after states. They are called Spirit of This or Spirit of That, With the exception of the plane dedicated to South Carolina, named Spirit of Kitty Hawk to honor the Wright Brothers.

When the B2 squadron started off the war in Afghanistan after 9/11, the flight was led by the Spirit of New York, not a coincidence, and I'm quite sure that the JDAMs and other assorted bombs on board were marked with messages to OBL and Al-Quaeda and their supporters concerning the attack on the WTC.

[Susan]

Would Israeli's be so understanding if the situation were reversed??

[Susan]

Give me a break Bozoer - you can not
excuse this. Pathetic.

[Josh Scholar]

It's bothered me for a long time that news from the middle east is often very poor quality.

It isn't unusual for someone in a country that doesn't have any protections for freedom of speech to be asked a question by a western reporter that they can't possibly answer safely - so they get a dishonest answer and don't put it in context that explains that the answer probably couldn't be freely given. They seem to be playing a role indistinguishable from the local yellow press.

Worse, stories from Palestine and other less than free areas often seem to be fully propaganda, possible staged with misinformation or at least relevant information deliberately left out.

This has bothered me for a long time. So I decided to try and see if I could do something about it.

I bought the domain fakednews.net and installed wiki software. That's the same sort of software that wikipedia uses, where anyone can write an article, anyone can edit an article, and nothing is ever erased (so if someone defaces an article, you can bring it back).

It's not my idea to get people to talk about media bias - I people will never agree on what's bias. But wikipedia has been very successful by trying to keep opinion out of their wiki.

So the purpose of this wiki will be to document any claim that a news report was staged, misrepresented a fact, or (and here is where we dip into the subjective, slightly) left out a salient fact.

Although my aim is to make the media less biased, I think we can accomplish more by having a much more limited scope - documenting actual misrepresentations of fact and avoiding all fights about what's biased and what isn't. If our media ever gets to the point where it's so good that it never tells outright lies or covers up facts then we'll be in much better shape than we are now.

It may be a few days before the web site is working. The wiki software requires PHP 5 and my web host says that it will take up to three days to upgrade my server from PHP 4.

This is a wiki so it will only succeed to the extent that there are people who use it. So feel free and get the word out. It will be open to everyone just like wikipedia.

There's a placeholder article on my blog. I may update it by adding text from this comment.

Maybe someone already has a wiki like this and I wasted the $15 it cost to set up this wiki at godaddy. If so, let me know. Either way I'm happy.

[Judy]

David and Boezer Rebbe-- I don't think there's any comparison between combatant adults writing messages on bombs and aircraft and this situation of children being encouraged to do so.

And I think the west has moved on since World War II. It would now be unthinkable for there to be a popular wartime song like the great British wartime hit sung by Gracie Fields, "The Biggest Aspidistra in the World", which included the line "We're going to hang old Hitler from it".

However, I also think there is no comparison between what was happening here with the children and the Hamas/Fatah etc practice of parading children dressed as suicide bombers/terrorist fighters, and having them scream slogans of the order of "death to Jews, death to Israel", or putting them on television to trot out stuff about the Jews being sons of pigs and monkeys etc. (Susan please note)

[Nick (South Africa)]

>Why were the children allowed to get near the shells anyway? Does the IDF have some responsibility there?<

Exactly, 155 mm artillery shells are manufactured to extremely tight tolerances. Perfect concentricity being vital for accuracy, If I was the gunner officer, Id have thrown a fit if anyone wrote on the shells.

[ami]

joshua scholar: Your project sounds very worthwhile. Presumably you are familiar with second draft, which exposed the fake Mohamed Dura film (featured on Adloyada if I remember correctly). But that of course is not a wiki.
http://www.seconddraft.org/history_pallywood.php

[Schnitzel]

I think there's all the difference in the world between wishing death on one's military foes (hey, that's the purpose of war) and wishing death on a civilian population or an entire people.

Death to the IDF - Fine
Death to Olmert - Fine
Death to Nasrallah - Fine
Death to Hezbollah - Fine

Death to the Jews - Not fine
Death to Israel - Not fine
Death to the Muslims - Not fine
Death to Lebanon - Not Fine

Two other points:

1) I've seen many pictures of Western armies in recent times writing messages on shells and missiles to their enemies - everywhere from the Falklands to Iraq.

2) I don't know what Judy means by "moving on" as if somehow those people were primitive and we are far superior. On the contrary, I think the West is generally far more cowardly and less sure of itself. The curse of relativism has destroyed the West's backbone, and the average man is unable to differentiate between good and evil. I'm pretty sure though if people were being murdered throughout the world once again by a totally wicked regime and bombs were falling nightly on London, the British people would be promising in song to hang their enemies from very high trees.

For the record: I wish death on Nasrallah and every single member of Hezbollah. And when their end comes, I hope it is extremely painful. On the other hand, I pray that as few Lebanese citizens die as possible in this conflict. The death of just one innocent civilian is a enormous tragedy that we should all sincerely mourn without any reference whatsoever to the victim's nationality or religion.

[Rick]

town of Kiryat Shmona

That explains much - people in this town must be shell-shocked from all the incoming rockets over the years

[Rick]

I am listening to Gerald Kaufman on BBC Radio - he is tiresome and repetitivelt pompous. What is his problem ?

[dave]

That's a pretty pathetic explanation. Not only does it rest on incomplete hearsay, it doesn't actually detract from the sickening reality that Israeli kids have so little understanding of the horror these bombs are causing in Lebanon that they are writing 'cute' little messages on them.

[Schnitzel]

"What is his problem?"

I've thought for years that he is suffering from some form of senile dementia.

[Schnitzel]

"it doesn't actually detract from the sickening reality that Israeli kids have so little understanding of the horror these bombs are causing in Lebanon that they are writing 'cute' little messages on them."

There's dave, in all likelihood securely ensconced in the safety of his suburban semi, informing us that children who are facing the possibility of death daily have no understanding of the realities of war. Right.

And what about your grandparents, dave, were they fully alive to the terrible genocides which Britain collaborated in at Dresden and Hiroshima? Did you rent your garments when those brave boys from the RAF blasted countless civilians to hell in illegal wars in Serbia and Iraq when Britain wasn't even under threat?

And have you ever been concerned that the worst genocide in history occurred because Britain and the United States didn't give two hoots about the victims? Actually much worse that that: they did everything they possibly could to prevent the victims of that genocide from reaching safety.

There is absolutely nothing that any gentile nation can teach Israel about the morality of war.

[Joanne]

Oops. I stand corrected. Thanks, Lisa.

Still, I can't help seeing an aspect of exploitation here. Even if the parents were also clueless. I hate to say this, but Israelis should be very, very careful in dealing with the foreign media. I don't mean that they should be hostile all the time, just careful. Did these people think this European photographer was their friend?!

[FabioC.]

"There is absolutely nothing that any gentile nation can teach Israel about the morality of war."

Historically, in war morality has often been quickly discarded for effectivness. I don't see what is the difference between Gentiles and Jews in this regard.

Or are you one of those thinking that the Jews are "the most moral people in the world" and can look down upon Gentiles?

[Darrell]

Why wouldn't an Israeli child hate Hezbollah? What the hell difference does it make if this photo is staged or not?

That it is in fact staged is nothing more than yet another example of media bias against Israel. What else is new? This picture is not the issue.

Here's the issue: Israeli children hate Hezbollah and Hamas because of the latter's acts of terrorism and cruelty. Palestinian children hate Israelis because they're force-fed hatred of Israelis from birth. It doesn't occur -- it can't occur to them not to hate Israelis.

If these Israeli kids were writing hate messages to Hezbollah on these shells, that would be OK with me. Hezbollah has worked hard to earn the hatred of Israeli children.

They've also earned the hatred of the Arab children whose minds they poison. If those children should grow up and somehow come to realize that fact, peaceful coexistence will be possible. Not before.

[Shrewsbury]

Maybe some morally superior person can explain to me exactly what is so outrageous about writing little billet-doux on a shell intended for a terrorist who has attacked your home without provocation. Why do you expect Westerners to be ashamed when they defend themselves against murder?

[Dee]

I find it appalling that we have seen a non-stop parade of pictures of the children of terrorists carrying guns, AK-47's, bomb-belts, banners of hate-speech crying for death to Israel and not one peep from liberals or the msm. Not one disapproving word. Nada, zed, zilch.

Then this picture crops up and everyone is on it like a flea on a dog. Then it turns out to be a staged inflammatory photo-op.

Our family, our church and our friends support Israel's unconditional right to defend herself. Hopefully she will finish the job this time.

Thank you for posting this story.

[Ldd]

Foreign media are not ever to be trusted, remember the Italian media team that stood by and filmed as their terrorist friends launched a missile at an Iraqi passenger plane, getting a strike?
The plane landed despite the murdering terrorists and media's attempts to do otherwise.

Please they've been in the 'let's make it bleed' business far far to long.

Hope those markers are non-toxic.

[FabioC.]

Ldd,
it was a French media team.

An Italian journalist, however, got himself killed while hanging around with Palestinian fighters (good riddance).

[syn]

If there's a choice I rather see children drawing on bombs rather than wearing them.

Homocide Baby that is pathetic.