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    NaughtyBoy

    A number of right-wing commentators think HMD was a Blarite initive. Have you read max hastings on the subject.

    You seem to have a problem with any refrence to a persons ethnicity or religion. Could you possibly advice on how to tackle such matters.

    why can't this blow be called a jewish blog, since the content is jewish related. There are of course sikh blogs, hindu blogs . . much like Hindu sites and groups, each blog finds a niche. The anger is of course, certain jewish commentators go beyond acceptable criticism and allow for racist comments to be posted. You probably came across a few of those.

    With regards towards the venessa feltz comment i saw that too - but the comment wasn't anti-semetic, "Vanessa Feltz (Jew)" was written to before saying how she tackled a holocaust dennier on the programmer. It could have been considered racist on the basis in another statement it was making fun of a black woman who came on the programme and asked for a "slavery day".

    Furthermore, not everyone that comes to any blog reflects the views of everyone.

    Joshua

    Yo NaughtyBoy!

    Would it help - you know, make you feel just a tad less alienated - if we Jews simply wore a yellow star instead?

    Jay Singh

    Naughty Boy

    I think the anger caused is already there and just needs an outlet for some people. Any racist comment on this blog is challenged by the owner of the blog and called for what it is. There was nothing written on this blog that went beyond 'acceptable criticism' (acceptable to who?) and that warranted the "Jews! How dare they!" spleen that was unleashed in the rhetoric of the response.

    NaughtyBoy

    Now c'mon Joshua

    don't be silly, i didnt ask you to wear a yellow star. Look at my face, i only wish i could escape the glare once in a while and i wouldn't want to wish it upon anyone. i have no choice.

    I know there is anti-semeticism on islamist sites, as there is on certain jewish sites. Don't tell me you havn't seen racist comments. People leach on anything and everything.

    As for Jay singh, his entire philosophy is based on a sense of victimhood as a result of the mussies .

    Joshua

    "don't be silly, i didnt ask you to wear a yellow star."

    You were attempting to defend the indefensible. The label "Jew" is attached by your compadres for one simple reason: so you can smile and nod sagely to each other as you say: "See this is a Jew. He cannot be trusted." No different to the Nazis in fact. Thus, my comment about yellow stars was perfectly apt.

    "Look at my face, i only wish i could escape the glare once in a while and i wouldn't want to wish it upon anyone. i have no choice."

    If you believe that Jews can escape anti-Semitism because they can blend in, you should tell that to the relatives of millions of assimilated Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, or to the Jews of Europe who have been physically attacked mainly by Muslims in large numbers over the last few years. As an aside, Jews in France are 14 times more likely to be attacked than Muslims and 23 times more likely to be threatened:

    http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2004/08/comparative_hat.html

    This though has been a regular theme of the many black anti-Semites in the US: that Jews do no suffer from racism. An odious lie, but one which, for their own racist reasons, they wish to spread.

    "I know there is anti-semeticism on islamist sites, as there is on certain jewish sites. Don't tell me you havn't seen racist comments. People leach on anything and everything."

    I assume you are referring to racism on Jewish websites as anti-Semitism refers only to prejudice against Jews.

    There is abolutely no equivalence. The worldwide resurgence of anti-Semitism is almost solely due to the endemic Jew-hatred, little different to that espoused by the Nazis, which has been raging through the Muslim world over the last decade, and which Muslims have imported with such devastating effect to Europe and elsewhere.

    "As for Jay singh, his entire philosophy is based on a sense of victimhood as a result of the mussies"

    Given the anti-Semitism I refer to above, this is a real victimhood and not an imaginary one.

    Your plaint though is one often expressed by Christian anti-Semites: "Oh those whining Jews. Why the hell don't they quit complaining about their Holocaust."

    You may be a person of colour. You may very well suffer from racism. As individuals like Jackson and Farrakhan have shown on very many occasions though, that certainly does not preclude anti-Semitic prejudice.

    Instead of venting your somewhat prejudiced spleen once again, you should at least try and address the actual points raised by the extremely eloquent Mr. Singh.

    Sunny

    Everyone believes their victimhood is justified.

    http://www.asiansinmedia.org/news/article.php/television/808

    Jay Singh

    Naughty Boy

    As for Jay singh, his entire philosophy is based on a sense of victimhood as a result of the mussies

    Did I cut you dude? Good. Low and stupid comment from a low mind.

    I spend my life laughing at those who proclaim their victimhood - the persecution complex and paranoia comes through sharply in your post - it is pathetic - but good comedy.

    Cynic

    "Why are my blog and that of Melanie Phillips described as "Jewish blogs"? "

    For the same reason that the MSM will qualify the person, if he is Jewish, they are writing about of being of the faith to accentuate the negative, in their minds.
    So one gets Jewish millionaire, Lawyer what have you where as one never sees Protestant, Catholic, Anglican Crook, Methodist swindler etc.
    What is strange given the mass of posts related to Israel on LGF is that nobody refers to that blog as a Jewish blog or an Israeli blog.

    Melanie in her post "Britain's descent into madness (1)" writes:
    "There is now a real feeling of siege among the Jews of Britain. The most extraordinary anti-Jewish libels and prejudice are pouring forth from Muslims and their unholy comrades on the left — including some deracinated or pathologically embittered Jews —and yet there are no outraged or impassioned editorials condemning such bigotry, ... "

    That should explain it all.
    The only question I have is: "what happened to Blair's hate speech law that protects Muslims from being discussed in public?"

    Judy

    Folks, can I remind you that it is actually possible to disagree with people without the need to sneer at them, go into rhetorical overdrive etc?

    This blog is clearly labelled as being by someone with six decades of accumulated opinions. However strongly opinions are held, including anger and disgust, they can be expressed with something like wit or even compassion. If you read carefully you will find I refrain from characterizing anyone in some of the terms used in the comments above. I'd be grateful if you'd do the same.

    The opinions I express things on include the nature of London, academic higher education unions, learning to read and write, lesbian pole dancing, fashion journalism and many others.

    I do regularly refer to matters Jewish. I am Jewish. That doesn't make this a Jewish blog. Norman Geras is Jewish. He runs a blog which often refers to matters Jewish. That doesn't make his blog a Jewish blog either. He writes about cricket a lot, and is a known cricket expert. That doesn't make his blog a cricket blog. I often express opinions about Israel and the Palestinians. It doesn't make it an Israeli-Palestinian conflict blog either.

    So if you feel the need to label my blog in this way, when I explicitly label it otherwise, that tells me more about where you are coming from than where I am.

    Finding nothing wrong with commenters who feel the need to put the word Jew in brackets after a person's name puts you firmly in the world of the white supremacists who "prove" that the US is run by a secret zionist organization by listing every Jew they can find at almost any level in the current administration.

    I regard doing that as racist. It's unacceptable anywhere and especially on this blog.

    As for what right wing commentators including Max Hastings think, the evidence, clearly available through the link to the Holocaust Memorial Day site proves any view that it was purely a Blair initiative wrong. It is not the least surprising to me that such commenters don't trouble to do the research that would torpedo a story that would fit so well with their agenda.

    Al-Hack

    Hi Judy, very kind of you to dedicate a whole blog entry to my own - so I feel I must reply - it would be rude not to.

    Incidentally, PP's editor won't allow me to reply in our blog. Apparently a post about a post about a post was too much. Grrr.

    Whatever your views on the re-naming of Holocaust day, those weren't really my main issues of contention.

    What bugged me was how yourself and Phillips laid into Abul Taher in a way to suggest that a Muslim writing the story would automatically mean he was biased, anti-Jewish and the media therefore hated Israel.

    It's that victim mentality, also epitomised by the MCB and the Board of Jewish Deputies that gets my goat.

    Even if he was the editor of Eastern Eye - it means nothing. Linking to that website too means nothing. Anyone can set up one, claim to be an ex-Muslim/Sikh/Hindu/Jew etc and then begin about slandering the religion.

    You seem to be happy to accept such an anti-Muslim website at face value. Would you do the same with an anti-Jewish one?

    Secondly, linking to just one website that suggests the BBC might be pro-Israel, when most of your posts suggest the opposite does not exactly mean there is balance here. People from all religious denominations accuse the Beeb of being biased against them - it isn't anything new.

    You're merely recycling some of those accusations, tinged with your worldview, which claims mostly that the BBC is anti-Israel. The tone of that posts makes it quite clear.

    Thirdly - I use the term 'Jewish blog' and bring out your religion in this matter to demonstrate how annoying it is when people judge you for your religion and not what you say. You do the exact same thing with Abul Taher. Because he's a Muslim writer, he must be biased against Jews. And you conjure up some very loose associations to support that argument. MP copies it - we have a full scale conspiracy.

    Most likely someone higher up at the Sunday Times commissioned Abul to write the story and it went through about two layers of sub-editors to make sure it would not get a negative reaction - so blaming him is just...well.. naive.

    People have this habit of perpetuating ideas that suit their own. Maybe we at PP can help challenge you one some thoughts, and you can do the same with us :)
    God bless.

    Dangerously Subversive Dad

    Al-Hack,

    The lady offered rather a lot of specific evidence about Mr Taher based on things he actually SAID as opposed to making claims based on his religion. And as for this

    "Is the media biased against Israelis? Please stop me choking myself with laughter."

    If you seriously are claiming that the British media isnt biased against Israel then you have proved a point about your mentality and real motivations far better than anyone else could...ah well, obviously the 'give them enough rope' adage applies just as well to pro-Islamists as it does everyone else.

    Al-Hack

    The lady offered rather a lot of specific evidence about Mr Taher based on things he actually SAID as opposed to making claims based on his religion.

    That was all conjecture and slanting the words to fit her own agenda. All she had in solid form were the two accusation (Eastern Eye, FaithFreedom site) that somehow proved he was a "pro-Islamist".

    If you seriously are claiming that the British media isnt biased against Israel then you have proved a point about your mentality and real motivations far better than anyone else could.

    Oh really. And I guess you won't be applying the same standards to the Muslims and Hindus who claim the media is biased against them. Do you actually have any benchmark or will the years of victim mentality be sufficient enough for you?

    Al-Hack

    Oooh, just seen your site now DSD. Linking and taking information from the BNP website to support your argument? I don't think I need to say any more. Game, set, match.

    Al-Hack

    Sorry to keep commenting BTW, but I just realised my italics didn't show up as such. Therefore the 1st and 3rd paragraph in my second-last post, are quotes by him.

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