So now there are two opposing forensic accounts of who was directly responsible for last Friday's killings on the Gaza beach.
On the one hand, the official Israeli enquiry, led by an IDF major-general, concludes that the explosions which killed the family could not have come directly from Israeli artillery operating at that time because:
"We have records of every shell fired and we can say that all shells hit their targets," he said. "We investigated the possibility that a shell went astray. We checked all bombardment during the past month and there were no stray shells. Now I can reject with certainty the suggestion that IDF fire was to blame for this damage. In light of the findings I can?t say certainly what did cause the damage. That's the thing that we are continuing to review, and I hope that in the near future we will succeed in reaching some sort of definite conclusion."
"The incident occurred 150 meters north of a machine we call 'The Casino'," he continued. "This is based on intelligence research, on information we received from the Palestinians themselves, basically according to videos and professional documentation of the matter. According to images from one of the instruments that photographs strips of the beach, we are able to say that the incident occurred between 16:57 and 17:10. The ambulances can also be clearly seen by our cameras, and they come at 17:15. This brings us to the conclusion that the incident happened not before 16:57 and not after 17:10. From here we examined the bombardment conducted by the IDF that day, and I can unequivocally refute that any IDF munitions fired during that period of time was the cause of the incident previously described."
Additional evidence cited asserted that:
One IAF strike on the Gaza Strip that day....occurred 2.5 kilometers from the scene of the explosion and two other strikes took place hours earlier. Ruling out Navy fire, Klifi said that "every 76-mm. shell fired from the navy boats can be accounted for since they all hit their targets successfully." In fact, Klifi said, "the ones that fell closest to the location of the incident were fired four hours earlier."
and additionally, IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz said:
Artillery shelling, he added, could also not have been responsible for the explosion. A piece of shrapnel taken from one of the wounded being treated in an Israeli hospital and cross-checked with 155-mm shells used by the IDF proved that the explosion was not caused by Israeli artillery fire. "The fragment taken out of the wounded showed absolutely that it is not connected to any [type of] Israeli ammunition used that day," Halutz said.
The army, Klifi said, has also accounted for five of the six shells that were fired in the area Friday evening before the beach explosion.
None of them exploded nearby, he said, adding that the one shell that was not accounted for was fired before the five others and more than 10 minutes before the blast.
On the other hand, the contradictory forensic report comes from Mark Garlasco, who is the senior military analyst and battle damage assessment expert for Human Rights Watch.
Human Rights Watch researchers currently in Gaza interviewed victims, witnesses, Palestinian security officers and doctors who treated the wounded after the incident. They also visited the site of the explosion, where they found a large piece of unoxidized jagged shrapnel, stamped “155mm,” which would be consistent with an artillery shell fired by the IDF’s M-109 Self-Propelled Artillery.
Human Rights Watch spoke to the Palestinian explosive ordnance disposal unit who investigated three craters on the beach, including the one where the civilians were killed. According to General Salah Abu `Azzo, head of the Palestinian unit, they also gathered and removed shrapnel fragments consistent with 155mm artillery shells.
Eyewitnesses interviewed by Human Rights Watch described between five and six explosions on the beach between 4:30 p.m. to 5 p.m., the time frame when the IDF fired artillery onto the beach and when the seven civilians were killed. Two survivors said they heard the sound of an incoming projectile and saw a blur of motion in the sky before the explosion that killed the seven civilians. Residents of northern Gaza are familiar with the sounds of regular artillery fire.
Doctors also confirmed to Human Rights Watch researchers that the injuries from the attack, which were primarily to the head and torso, are consistent with the heavy shrapnel of artillery shells used by the IDF. Doctors said the shrapnel they removed from Palestinian patients in Gaza was of a type that comes from an artillery shell.
According to readings from a Global Positioning Satellite taken by Human Rights Watch, the crater where the victims were killed was within the vicinity of the other artillery craters created by the IDF’s June 9 artillery attack and was the same shape and size. One crater was 100 meters away from the fatal crater, and the rest were 250 to 300 meters away.
Some Israeli officials have suggested the explosion may have been caused by a mine placed by Palestinian militants, rather than one of their artillery shells, despite the fact that they cannot account for the final landing place of one of their six shells.
However, according to on-site investigations by Human Rights Watch, the size of the craters and the type of injuries to the victims are not consistent with the theory that a mine caused the explosion. The craters are too large to be made by bounding mines, the only type of landmines capable of producing head and torso injuries of the type suffered by the victims on June 9. Additionally, Palestinian armed groups are not known to have, or to have used, bounding mines; the Palestinian government bomb squad said it has never uncovered a bounding mine in any explosive incident.
How to weigh these competing claims?
I'm no military forensics expert, so my first thought was to contact Don, who has done a fantastic job of taking apart the misleading statistics about Israeli and Palestinian conflict casualties issued by supposedly disinterested human rights organizations, and all too often quoted uncritically as authoritative by the BBC. His response was:
I haven't seen the IDF's physical evidence, so I have no idea how convincing it is. While I would certainly judge the IDF's record of truthfulness as being far better than the Palestinians', I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's unblemished. So I wouldn't accept *either* version of the story on an ad hominem basis.In my opinion, the only way to come to any resolution of this issue is for there to be an international inquiry. Of course, such enterprises have their own problems, including the virtual impossibility of eliminating bias. But I can't think of any better way of determining what happened - certainly no IDF investigation is going to convince anyone who isn't very willing to be convinced.
Just going on what I've read, I'd say that Israel needs to put the issue in the hands of an independent body. By 'independent', I mean of mind as well as of connections: not, therefore, a body composed of people who start with a fixedly one-sided view about the distribution of rights and wrongs in that region.
Yet again coincidentally, an email correspondent's comments on that helped me formulate what I am so exercised by.
Norm's been writing excellent posts over the last years dealing with the fight against terrorism worldwide. He's taken on those who use tragic accidents like US and British bombing hits unintentionally killing large numbers of civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq to demonize and call for a halt to their intervention against the terrorist groups there. He's written about the abuses by US soldiers at Abu Ghraib prison. I've read almost every post he's written over the last two years and more.
I don't recall him arguing that any independent body should be set up to investigate those particular tragedies, bearing as this would the implication that US, British or Russian authorities cannot be relied on to conduct an impartial enquiry.
And I have certainly no recall of him invoking an implied rejection of enquiries by US and British forces needing to be given over to a independent body with an outlook unhampered by any fixedly one-sided view, for example, that terrorism needs to be eliminated so that democracy and the rule of law can be established.
It looks uncomfortably as if Norm is singling out Israel here in a way that he has not done, as far as I'm aware, in comparable situations, the very thing he has so repeatedly argued against in other contexts.
There are other voices calling for independent enquiry commissions from Israel as well as outside it, of which Hillel Shencker, who seems to be aligned to the far-left Peace Now movement, provides a typical example in The Guardian today.
And I just don't think there is such a body or group of people. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of such high politics that there aren't in my view groups or bodies that would be unaffected by the politics inherent in evaluating the beach explosions.
It's significant that neither Norm nor Hillel Schenker actually name any agency which could credibly be cited to fill such an Olympian role. To be fair to Schenker, he does doubt that any agency could. The UN? Their envoy joined in the chorus which claimed there was a massacre at Jenin. Amnesty International? I don't think so.The Red Cross? Remember their role in World War II?
Gerald Steinberg of Bar-Ilan University has done what I think is a virtually unanswerable job of demonstrating that, far from being disinterested neutral organizations, non-governmental organizations such as Human Rights Watch typically adopt highly charged political positions and language, particularly tending to be disproportionately hostile to Israel and sympathetic to Palestinian terrorist organizations. They are singularly unaccountable, and they lack accountability mechanisms, the checks and balances which exist for investigative bodies such as police forces and investigating magistrates in democratic states, particularly in Israel.
Looking at the track record of Mark Garlasco, the writer of the HRW report, it seems he has something of a record of making snap judgements, hostile to the US or to Israel without the degree of involvement with the evidence you'd expect of an accredited battle damage specialist.
"What happened at Haditha appears to be outright murder. The Haditha massacre will go down as Iraq’s My Lai."When Garlasco appeared on Sean Hannity’s radio show to discuss his views with Hannity and retired Marine colonel Oliver North, Garlasco immediately back-pedaled, admitting under questioning that he had "no idea of the facts" in the situation. Like his fellows he steadfastly refused to allow his ignorance to prevent him from judging the Marines
Garlasco was a member of the group of disaffected ex-CIA and Pentagon insiders who set up a campaign against the US war on Iraq. He resigned the very job that gave him his credibility as a battle damage assessor on that basis.
His work for HRW has seemed to me to reflect a political agenda, both anti-US in Iraq, and anti Israel in the context of the Palestinian territories.
I heard him talking about his investigation of the Gaza beach killings on BBC' s Radio 4 the day the HRW press release was issued. What was striking was how his position on how sure he could be of what he was saying seemed to shift. At one point, he appeared to be saying that it was beyond all reasonable doubt that the deaths were caused by Israeli shelling, and then moments later, he was accepting that there was room for doubt. He suggested that the Israeli authorities were suppressing evidence, then when questioned agreed that they had been willing to have his findings sent as evidence. This seemed to chime with the reports above which indicate he tends to over-claim on whatever evidence basis he has.
What's now particularly interesting is that it is the "quality" British press which continues to make the running in rejecting the findings of the Israeli investigation and in uncritically accepting the Human Rights Watch version, together with Palestinian claims. The Guardian, the Independent and the Times have all run such stories. Those three are also the newspapers which ran the most egregious assertions of a "massacre" by Israeli troops in Jenin in 2002.
It's perhaps not surprising that the Jewish Chronicle this week supports the Israeli account whilst reporting the HRW account and documenting its success in casting doubt on the Israeli investigation. They seem to be unique in consulting two British defence specialists, neither of whom have investigated the incident directly. But both the experts support the Israeli account. One of them, Colonel "Mad Mike" Dewar is a veteran of the futile campaign by the British to hold onto Aden, before it was ceded to Yemen. The other is an anonymous source who appears to have some knowledge of the Gaza terrain in question. He makes the point that the Gaza beach is anyway littered with the ordnance of many conflicts, including the 1967 and earlier conflicts, and it is highly likely that the fatal explosion was the result of some of this ordnance being set off.
Dewar points to the track record of the Israeli forces in documenting orders given and co-ordinates of targets fired on. There is also satellite and other aerial survelliance evidence which must still be available.
The Palestinian claims are interesting, because they have shifted from claiming that the fatal shots were fired by gunboats, and the beach witness statements originally supported this. The PA TV channel put out a video which appeared to support this, but was subsequently demonstrated to be an edit job which spliced unrelated footage of gunboats firing with the shots of the wounded and dying on the beach.
Subsequently, they have claimed the shots were fired by 155mm shells from Israeli artillery, matching the claims by Garlasco for HRW. They claim to have shrapnel from victims in Gaza hospitals confirming this, but have yet to produce it.
One of the elements that really seems to me to be stretching credibility in the latest British press accounts is the report by a Palestinian ambulance driver whose story is there to cast doubt on the Israeli claims about the timing of the fatal explosions:
Another testimony which backs this version was provided by ambulance driver Khaled Abu Sada, who said he received a telephone confirmation of an emergency at 4:45 p.m. or 4:46 p.m., set off at 4:50 p.m., arrived at the scene at around 5 p.m. and returned to the hospital after picking up one dead child and three women, two of close to death, at 5:10 p.m.
Abu Sada estimated that the round trip, including picking up the dead and the wounded and driving to the hospital, took him about 20 minutes. He added that he had reached speeds of up to 130kph (80mph).
"I flew," he said.
I'm not directly familiar with the roads around there, but the claims about reaching 80mph and "flying" seem to me to be curious in relation to everything I've read about the state of the roads. Perhaps someone familiar with the roads in that part of Gaza can comment.
Now a German newspaper claims to have evidence pointing to elements of Palestinian staging of the incidents, particularly of the use of Huda, the girl orphaned by the explosions.
While I think it more than possible that evidence was tampered with by Palestinian factions after the explosions, it seems most unlikely to me that the girl's grief was in any way staged.
But I don't conclude from this farrago of conflicting accounts that there's no way we will ever get to the bottom of this story, or that only the supposed neutrality of an international enquiry will come out with pristine truth.
There is a huge wealth of evidence available, from the Israeli sources and from Palestinian sources. That's no different from the task historians face in any task where they are trying to reconstruct the outcome of any battle or military action. Let's see the evidence made open to researchers, scholars, journalists via the internet. The nearer the evidence is to the moments of the explosions, the more credible it's likely to be. The discussion already taking place in the blogosphere makes it clear what some of the questions and doubts are.
No doubt there are those who are never going to waver from whatever fixed view they have for who is responsible for this tragedy. And there's the stance which says it's not worth even enquiring, because the real issue is the unresolved conflict itself, and resolving it is what we should focus on.
But a major component in the unresolved conflict is the attempt to delegitimize Israel, redefine it as a pariah state and its forces as being no more than the instruments of state terrorism. And this particular event has now become the latest piece of case history in that particular scenario.
That's why opening up the evidence to all comers is the most effective way to deal with it.
And the evidence includes opening up the track records and the agendas of all the players, including the non-governmental organizations and the newspapers with agendas about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
More pertinent information:
Human Rights Watch is funded by George Soros and promotes his left-leaning, pro-Palestinian agenda. Mark Garlasco has a similarly politicized background - although his official bio plays up his Pentagon connection, he is a member of the hard-left anti-war group VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity) and was involved in a politically motivated leak of damaging security information:
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/4187_0_2_0_C/http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/4187_0_2_0_C/
I've read reports calling HRW "independent" - implying they are "impartial" - but they are not.
In addition, the report you quoted mentions a crater - but none of the photographic evidence shows anything like that. An artillery shell fired onto a sandy beach would have left one heck of a hole. Was this video staged?
Consider this, too: shrapnel gathered by HRW after the fact is next to worthless - given the exchange of fire that's been going on during the current "cease fire" (!)there is no shortage of bits of metal on the ground in northern Gaza.
Posted by: Ben-David | June 15, 2006 at 08:54 PM
Surely, if there was an independent investigation, certainly one or both parties will dismiss the conclusion as biased. No matter what the outcome, we already see this incident taking its place in competing 'narratives' of the ongoing antagonism (I recall you've written about 'narratives' before, Judy). Whatever the cause, and whatever the final outcome of this tragic incident, I cannot see a positive or opinion changing aspect to it.
It would be lovely to think that this ambiguity would result in folk saying: "well, since we cannot work out what went on there, the only thing for it is to preserve the ceasefire. Hard to beleive, but latest reports suggest this is precisely what Hamas has suggested.
Posted by: Robert | June 16, 2006 at 02:37 AM
Uh, Robert - there was never a ceasefire outside of Hamas press releases. The shelling of southern Israel has been continuous, and in fact precipitated this incident.
Perhaps your news sources have been unquestioningly reporting the Palestinian pronouncements that "Israel's attack breaks the ceasefire" - but Israel fired its artillery AFTER being attacked.
Repeatedly.
Hamas has not waited on this or any other excuse to attack Israel.
This is the old dodge in which "it all started when Israel hit back"... fresh-on-the-scene journalists lock on to the most jarring, emotional images without giving any context.
Posted by: Ben-David | June 16, 2006 at 07:28 AM
Good post, Judy. I think you nailed it.
Israel is too small to reject charges that it cannot conduct an objective investigation. Bigger countries brush aside this.
Posted by: Fabián | June 16, 2006 at 12:39 PM
Judy:
the PA media has already been caught with their pants down falsifying the event by using archival footage to establish the presence of IDF naval vessels. That's not proof positive of culpability for the deadly explosions, but it is proof positive of the extent to which the PA can't be trusted to not concoct evidence.
HRW's credibility is mixed at best. On the one hand, they helped get the truth out about the Jenin non-massacre, but also admitted, after Saddam's fall, that they knew of Saddam's grizzly torture chambers, the special one at Abu Graib for children as well, but said nothing for fear that they would be kicked out of the country and felt that would not advance human rights in Iraq as they would not be there as witnesses. Now, that's logic I challenge right there. What could be a greater testament to a bad human rights record than throwing out a watchdog group for reporting the truth?
Posted by: Lynne | June 16, 2006 at 06:05 PM
Like Norm, I was shocked and assumed that IDF shelling had gone badly wrong. Like Norm, I'd like an independent inquiry because I suspect that the IDF would be cleared (I hope).
Why is the IDF shelling a beach used by families?If it's because the terrorists are using families as human shields why isn't the press taking up that story?
Posted by: jeffrey Mushens | June 16, 2006 at 06:28 PM
Friday, June 16, 2006
Steinberg: HRW's rush to judgement -- launches another PR attack against Israel
Please see:http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Shooting2006.asx
Friday, 16 June, 2006
HRW is clearly under pressure to "prove" that its support for the
Palestinian version is correct --- and the subheading "Palestinians Agree to
Independent Inquiry" could have been used in the Jenin "massacre" myth
campaign, and on many other occasions. For HRW and the Palestinians,
"independent" means the UN or another body dominated by anti-Israel
ideologues, where the outcome is never in doubt.
In today's press release, like the previous one, Garlasco and HRW present
the narrow claims that might support their version, while ignoring all of
the contradictory data. The claim that the Israeli government has
attributed this explosion to a mine planted by the Palestinians is also
incorrect -- there is some unofficial speculation, particularly in the
media, but no official statement on the possible cause. And it is
interesting that while Garlasco portrays himself as a military expert, we
know very little about his actual combat experience, if any. What is his
political agenda, and why has he not provided a report on the sources and
manufacture of Palestinian rockets and missiles? For the mass media, the
NGO "halo effect" remains intact, at least for now.
Gerald Steinberg
www.ngo-monitor.org
----- Original Message -----
From: HRW Press
To: HRW Press
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:26 AM
Subject: Israel: More Evidence on Beach Killings Implicates IDF
For Immediate Release
Israel: More Evidence on Beach Killings Implicates IDF
Palestinians Agree to Independent Inquiry
(Gaza, June 15, 2006) - A digitally dated and time-stamped blood test report
of a victim treated at a Palestinian hospital that admitted wounded from the
June 9 killings on a Gaza beach suggests that the attack took place during
the time period of an Israeli artillery attack, Human Rights Watch said
today. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have denied responsibility for the
killings, saying that although they fired six artillery shells onto the
beach between 4:32 p.m. and 4:51 p.m., the fatal incident must have occurred
after that.
Human Rights Watch first challenged this conclusion, concluding that the IDF
most likely caused the killings, in a press release,
www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/13/isrlpa13544.htm , based on an
investigation by its researchers in Gaza.
Human Rights Watch researchers examined the computer-generated record from
the Kamal Adwan hospital, which documents the blood test of a victim from
the beach incident being taken at 5:12 p.m. on June 9. Furthermore,
hand-written hospital records log patients from the incident as having been
admitted starting at 5:05 p.m. If the records are accurate, based on the
time needed to dispatch an ambulance and drive from the hospital to the
beach and back, this suggests that the fatal explosion took place at a time
when the IDF said they was firing artillery rounds. Both sets of records
also directly call into question the account of the IDF that ambulances did
not reach the beach until 5:15 p.m. that day.
Altering the records would require re-setting the computer's clock and
re-writing pages of the hospital's admissions log. Human Rights Watch
researchers said that the pages they saw documented patients un-related to
the beach incident, followed by two pages of victims from the beach. The
first of those were admitted at 5:05 p.m. The researchers saw no evidence
that the times might have been altered.
Israeli military officials have also suggested the explosion, which killed
seven members of the Ghalya family and wounded many others, might have been
caused by a mine. But Human Rights Watch researchers also examined
blood-crusted shrapnel given to them by the father of a 19-year-old male who
suffered abdominal wounds in the beach explosion. They determined that the
shrapnel is a piece of fuse from an artillery shell.
"The likelihood that the Ghalya family was killed by an explosive other than
one of the shells fired by the IDF is remote," said Marc Garlasco, senior
military analyst at Human Rights Watch. "This new evidence highlights the
urgent need for Israel to permit an independent, transparent investigation
into the beach killings."
Human Rights Watch received a fax today from the office of Palestinian
Authority President, Mahmoud Abbas, saying that the president's office,
which is holding much of the shrapnel removed from the blast victims, would
cooperate and share evidence with an independent inquiry team.
Posted by: ETABORI | June 17, 2006 at 05:40 AM
Please see:
http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Shooting2006.asx
Steinberg: HRW's rush to judgement -- launches another PR attack against Israel
Friday, 16 June, 2006
HRW is clearly under pressure to "prove" that its support for the
Palestinian version is correct --- and the subheading "Palestinians Agree to
Independent Inquiry" could have been used in the Jenin "massacre" myth
campaign, and on many other occasions. For HRW and the Palestinians,
"independent" means the UN or another body dominated by anti-Israel
ideologues, where the outcome is never in doubt.
In today's press release, like the previous one, Garlasco and HRW present
the narrow claims that might support their version, while ignoring all of
the contradictory data. The claim that the Israeli government has
attributed this explosion to a mine planted by the Palestinians is also
incorrect -- there is some unofficial speculation, particularly in the
media, but no official statement on the possible cause. And it is
interesting that while Garlasco portrays himself as a military expert, we
know very little about his actual combat experience, if any. What is his
political agenda, and why has he not provided a report on the sources and
manufacture of Palestinian rockets and missiles? For the mass media, the
NGO "halo effect" remains intact, at least for now.
Gerald Steinberg
www.ngo-monitor.org
----- Original Message -----
From: HRW Press
To: HRW Press
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:26 AM
Subject: Israel: More Evidence on Beach Killings Implicates IDF
For Immediate Release
Israel: More Evidence on Beach Killings Implicates IDF
Palestinians Agree to Independent Inquiry
(Gaza, June 15, 2006) - A digitally dated and time-stamped blood test report
of a victim treated at a Palestinian hospital that admitted wounded from the
June 9 killings on a Gaza beach suggests that the attack took place during
the time period of an Israeli artillery attack, Human Rights Watch said
today. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have denied responsibility for the
killings, saying that although they fired six artillery shells onto the
beach between 4:32 p.m. and 4:51 p.m., the fatal incident must have occurred
after that.
Human Rights Watch first challenged this conclusion, concluding that the IDF
most likely caused the killings, in a press release,
www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/13/isrlpa13544.htm , based on an
investigation by its researchers in Gaza.
Human Rights Watch researchers examined the computer-generated record from
the Kamal Adwan hospital, which documents the blood test of a victim from
the beach incident being taken at 5:12 p.m. on June 9. Furthermore,
hand-written hospital records log patients from the incident as having been
admitted starting at 5:05 p.m. If the records are accurate, based on the
time needed to dispatch an ambulance and drive from the hospital to the
beach and back, this suggests that the fatal explosion took place at a time
when the IDF said they was firing artillery rounds. Both sets of records
also directly call into question the account of the IDF that ambulances did
not reach the beach until 5:15 p.m. that day.
Altering the records would require re-setting the computer's clock and
re-writing pages of the hospital's admissions log. Human Rights Watch
researchers said that the pages they saw documented patients un-related to
the beach incident, followed by two pages of victims from the beach. The
first of those were admitted at 5:05 p.m. The researchers saw no evidence
that the times might have been altered.
Israeli military officials have also suggested the explosion, which killed
seven members of the Ghalya family and wounded many others, might have been
caused by a mine. But Human Rights Watch researchers also examined
blood-crusted shrapnel given to them by the father of a 19-year-old male who
suffered abdominal wounds in the beach explosion. They determined that the
shrapnel is a piece of fuse from an artillery shell.
"The likelihood that the Ghalya family was killed by an explosive other than
one of the shells fired by the IDF is remote," said Marc Garlasco, senior
military analyst at Human Rights Watch. "This new evidence highlights the
urgent need for Israel to permit an independent, transparent investigation
into the beach killings."
Human Rights Watch received a fax today from the office of Palestinian
Authority President, Mahmoud Abbas, saying that the president's office,
which is holding much of the shrapnel removed from the blast victims, would
cooperate and share evidence with an independent inquiry team.
Posted by: ETABORI | June 17, 2006 at 06:14 AM
German paper doubts Gaza beach reports
snippets
"German newspaper casts doubt on Palestinian claims that IDF shell killed seven family members on Gaza beach. How come Hadil Ghalia was seen wearing dry clothes after the Gaza beach attack when she was reported to have been swimming?
The newspaper said in footage of the beach taken by an IDF drone at the time of the attack, five craters left by IDF artillery shells could be seen, but that 250 meters away people could also be seen.
The paper said it is strange that although shells exploded 250 meters away from a beach site where Palestinian families congregated, no one was seen running away or panicking.
Irbad told the newspaper he was told of the attack by paramedics who guided him to the scene.
But no paramedics are seen until later in the footage, raising suspicions that he was first to reach the scene.
Moreover, if Irbad was the first to get to the scene, why were most bodies covered by sheets? Who was there first to cover the bodies? The newspaper asked."
"The newspaper also doubts Irbad's claim that Hadil was not injured because she was in the water when the shell exploded. His footage show her dry and fully clothed.
Another question raised by the newspaper is a shot of a man carrying a rifle next to the dead body of Hadil's father. The newspaper said in earlier footage, the same man was seen lying on the beach among the injured.
The footage also shows paramedics in green clothes and a dozen of bearded men looking for evidence. The newspaper asks whether the men are Hamas affiliates and wonders why they were preoccupied with collecting evidence rather than helping the injured."
"Asked why he didn't try to calm Hadil instead of filming her he said: "She asked me to film her. She wanted to be seen next to her father to show the world the crimes that Israel is committing."
The newspaper finally asks: "Did the shocked 10-year-old girl, who had lost her father minutes earlier, give the cameraman direction instructions?" "
Posted by: Schnitzel | June 18, 2006 at 01:28 PM
"Mahmoud Abbas, saying that the president's office,which is holding much of the shrapnel removed from the blast victims, would cooperate and share evidence with an independent inquiry team."
And you really think it likely that Abbas would act honourably in this? You can be certain that even if they do have shrapnel from the incident, they will only hand over the correct shrapnel if it incriminates Israel.
Posted by: Schnitzel | June 18, 2006 at 01:32 PM
The fact that the Palestinian line seems to be leaping from a 155mm artilery shell (the shrapnel with the convenient "155mm" stamp) to now blaming the Israeli Navy gunboats (whose vessels are fitted with 76mm guns) does lead one to suspect their line.
The Gaza strip has been fought over many times in the last fifty years, which leads one to suspect that there is plenty of unexploded ordinance lying around. Beaches are also quite often mined to prevent landings and I'd imagine that mine clearance isn't an exact science either.
The most likely explaination? Take an area likely to contain old, unexploded ordinance and add inquisitive children. From there it doesn't take a great deal of imagination to see a kid come running up to his parents proudly saying: "Daddy, look what I've found....."
RM
Posted by: The Remittance Man | June 18, 2006 at 09:36 PM
Is it true that Israeli shells would in fact have '155mm' stamped on them?
Was the stamp in English or Hebrew? Again, is either consistent with Israeli munitions?
Posted by: henry gurwood | June 18, 2006 at 11:05 PM
Henry,
A lot of Israeli munitions are actually US made so stamps are likely to be in English if present. From my experience (civilian who has poked around the odd military museum or two) shells are stamped with various codes and descriptions. I can only assume that this is done to prevent misidentification of various items in the heat of battle.
I mean, could you tell the difference between a 155mm shell and a 140mm shell by sight? Through the goggles of a gas mask? While lots of people were doing all they could to kill you? I guess that's what's described as a supply troopie's worst scenario.
RM
Posted by: The Remittance Man | June 19, 2006 at 01:09 PM
Jeffrey Mushens:
Why isn't the media looking at the story from the perspective that Palestinian civilians are being used as human shields by "resistance fighters", "militants" or whatever they want to call them?
Force of habit. They've blindly swallowed the propaganda and acted as useful idiots for so long they can't see the forest for the trees.
Posted by: Lynne | June 19, 2006 at 05:53 PM
I have posted a very long post with quite a few fresh idea's and a few rather terrible mistakes that the HRW 'expert' made.
regards Aaron
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Posted by: Aaron | July 04, 2006 at 07:37 PM
Mr.Fred, you should be able to fit some sort of wave eiaotqun if you go back to when Arafat and his mobsters arrived from Tunisia. After they came, there allegedly were demonstrations against these thugs during which the PLO machinegunned the protesters. There was also a wave of assassinations of locally elected mayors allegedly by those same PLO goons.All I can say is lets wish all of the contending Arab factions in Gaza, Judea and Samaria the very best of luck.chsw
Posted by: Sako | November 04, 2012 at 03:13 PM
we thought it a mikstae for Israel to move Jews OUT of Gaza and to give Gaza to the Pals, and he was even more angry when we spoke out saying we didn't think the USA should support that move financially...He cursed us as dogs for NOT supporting Israel in ALL matters and left my forums in a childish 'fit of anger'...As most of 'Bones' readers know, I DO support Israel, if I think Israel is correct in it's actions, and right now, I think Israel is VERY correct in it's actions, but I don't even support the actions of the USA 100% of the time, and I don't hesitate to speak out against what I believe to be inappropriate actions here either...Again, I wish ALL Israelis the best and I send you MY prayers and support... You are doing the right thing, I only hope your own government keeps on doing the right thing...
Posted by: Laura | November 04, 2012 at 08:47 PM
I agree that the situation is deeifrfnt from Apartheid and the Black Civil Rights Movement in the US, given that security concerns do play a part in restricting Palestinians' freedom of movement in the occupied territories. HOWEVER, if Israel were to disengage from the West Bank and a part of East Jerusalem and proper security measures were put in place with international help, this would create a much more secure future for Israel and an acceptable solution to Palestinian grievances. It's not necessary to like or even sympathise with the actions of Palestinian activists to see that ultimately, this makes sense. If your primary concern is security, there are better solutions, long term, than the current one. If your primary concern is the Jewish right to control Judea and Samaria and endlessly harass the Palestinians living there in order to manage the security issues resulting from this, don't pretend you actually care about the safety of Israelis it doesn't add up.
Posted by: Libyan | November 06, 2012 at 06:39 AM